1) The horizon always appears completely flat 360 degrees to the observer, regardless of how high you go up. Any curvature you think you see is from curved airplane windows or Go Pro cameras and fisheye lenses (which NASA loves to use). The reality is that the horizon never curves because we are on an endless plane. On a globe with 25,000 miles in circumference you would see a noticeable disappearance of objects the further they are as they would be leaning away from you and dropping below the constantly curving horizon!
Completely flat horizon from the stratosphere
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2) The horizon always rises to meet your eye level never no matter how high in altitude you go. Even at 20 miles up the horizon rises to meet the observer/camera. This is only physically possible if the earth is a huge “endless” flat plane.
If Earth were a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer/camera would have to tilt downward, looking down further and further to see it.
3) The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant spinning sphere tilting and hurling through space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. There would be a massive bulge of water in the oceans because of the curvature of the earth. If earth was curved and spinning the oceans of water would be flowing down to level and covering land. Some rivers would be impossibly flowing uphill. There would massive water chaos and flooding! What we would see and experience would be vastly different! But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense. The water remains flat because the earth is flat!
4) If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference as NASA and modern astronomy claim, spherical trigonometry dictates the surface of all standing water must curve downward an easily measurable 8 inches per mile multiplied by the square of the distance. This means along a 6 mile channel of standing water, the Earth would dip 6 feet on either end from the central peak. Every time such experiments have been conducted, however, standing water has proven to be perfectly level.
Bedford Level Experiment: Proof of no curvature
http://people.wku.edu/charles.smith/wallace/S162-163.htm
The formula for a spherical earth: is this what we see? Where’s the curve? 
5) The sun is much closer than we have been told. It is, in fact, in our atmosphere. You can clearly see that it is not 93 million miles away. Many times you can see the sun’s rays shooting out of a cloud forming a triangle. If you follow the rays to their source it will always lead to a place above the clouds. If the sun was truly millions of miles away, all the rays would come in at a straight angle. Also the sun can be seen directly above clouds in some balloon photos, creating a hot spot on the clouds below it and in other photos you can clearly see the clouds dispersing directly underneath the close small sun.
Time lapse of the sun proves the flat earth:
Crepuscular Rays Prove Flat Earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_ppPXChyTo
6) If we were living on a spinning globe airplane’s would constantly have to dip their noses down every few minutes to compensate for the curvature of the earth (with a circumference of 25,000 miles the earth would be constantly curving at the speed of an airplane). In reality however, they never do this! They learn how to fly based on a level flat plane. Also if the earth was spinning the airplane’s going west would get to their destination much faster since the earth is spinning in the opposite direction. If the atmosphere is spinning with the earth then airplanes flying west would have to fly faster than the earth’s spin to reach its destination. In reality, the earth is flat and airplanes just fly level and reach their destination easily because the earth is not moving.
Planes Could Not Land if Earth was Moving or Spinning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_fxcFr1CrI
7) The experiment known as “Airy’s Failure” proved that the stars move relative to a stationary Earth and not the other way around. By first filling a telescope with water to slow down the speed of light inside, then calculating the tilt necessary to get the starlight directly down the tube, Airy failed to prove the heliocentric theory since the starlight was already coming in the correct angle with no change necessary, and instead proved the geocentric model correct.
Airy’s Failure explained:
8) The Michelson-Morley and Sagnac experiments attempted to measure the change in speed of light due to Earth’s assumed motion through space. After measuring in every possible different direction in various locations they failed to detect any significant change whatsoever, again proving the stationary geocentric model.
Michelson-Morley Experiment:
9) If “gravity” is really a force strong enough to hold the world’s oceans, buildings, people and atmosphere stuck to the surface of a spinning ball, then it is impossible for “gravity” to also simultaneously be weak enough to allow little birds, bugs, and planes to take-off and travel freely unabated in any direction. If “gravity” is strong enough to curve the massive expanse of oceans around a globular Earth, it would be impossible for fish and other creatures to swim through such forcefully held water.
Gravity is a hoax: http://beforeitsnews.com/strange/2015/07/flat-earth-gravity-is-a-hoax-2461410.html
Everything on our flat earth is naturally arranged by density and mass. 
10) Ship captains in navigating great distances at sea never need to factor the supposed curvature of the Earth into their calculations. Both Plane Sailing and Great Circle Sailing, the most popular navigation methods, use plane, not spherical trigonometry, making all mathematical calculations on the assumption that the Earth is perfectly flat. If the Earth were in fact a sphere, such an errant assumption would lead to constant glaring inaccuracies. Plane Sailing has worked perfectly fine in both theory and practice for thousands of years, however, and plane trigonometry has time and again proven more accurate than spherical trigonometry in determining distances across the oceans. If the Earth were truly a globe, then every line of latitude south of the equator would have to measure a gradually smaller and smaller circumference the farther South travelled. If, however, the Earth is an extended plane, then every line of latitude south of the equator should measure a gradually larger and larger circumference the farther South travelled. The fact that many captains navigating south of the equator assuming the globular theory have found themselves drastically out of reckoning, more so the farther South travelled, testifies to the fact that the Earth is not a ball.
The South Pole does not exist; Antarctica truth
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/06/south-pole-does-not-exist.html?m=1
True world: Flat Earth
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html?m=1
Flat Geocentric Earth
https://flatgeocentricearth.wordpress.com/
Flat earth tides and the electromagnetism of the sun and moon https://youtu.be/_pauQitNEM0
How the four seasons work:
Flat earth perspective explained:
200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball.
Author Eric Dubay.
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html
200 Proofs Earth is not a spinning ball video book by Eric Dubay.
Eric Dubay YouTube Channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/ericdubay77
The Biggest Lie of All
The Biggest Lie of All – Part 2
The Flat Earth Masonic Matrix Manipulators
TIMELAPSE OF THE SUN PROVES FLAT EARTH – HD
The Zionists, Freemasons, and NASA’s Biggest Secret
Debunking the Spinning Ball Earth
Gravity Does Not Exist! by Eric Dubay
Relativity Does Not Exist!
The Masonic Sun-Worshipping Globalist Cult of NASA
The NASA Moon and Mars Landing Hoaxes
The Flat Moon Over the Flat
Stars are Not Suns!
Flat Earth Star Trails Explained
True World | Flat Earth Documentary
My Perspective Youtube Channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/Rorycoopervids
TETs TRUTH TUBE Youtube Channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxjjbu4mA4lKUsNt_6v8Tzg
Flat Earth and the Real Stars
Flat Earth: Frequency of the Heavens
Flat Water Youtube Channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/imthegee1
Red Boat Video
121,000 feet Little Piggy Cam High Altitude Balloon Flight
FLAT EARTH SCIENCE AND THE BIBLE 
Great list! But please explain the following phenomena of which I am a first-hand witness via personal experience:
1. During a Lunar Eclipse, I have personally observed what looks like the shadow of a round object traversing across the visible surface of the moon. The round object casting the shadow is clearly larger diameter than the moon based on the curvature radius of the leading and trailing edges of the shadow.
2. The phases of the moon are geometrically explained by the moon being a sphere that’s illuminated from a light source with a relative 28 day rotation of 360° from my viewing angle on Earth.
3. With binoculars I have personally observed the phases of Venus similar to phases of the moon, but on a different time scale. Based on its phases, Venus appears to be spherical.
4. With binoculars I have personally observed Jupiter and maybe four of its moons.
5. The Sun appears to be round, which is what it would look like if it is a sphere.
Question: The moon is spherical. The Sun is spherical. Venus is spherical. Jupiter is spherical. Most of the other planets have been observed and photographed by amateur astronomers. All of them appear round and most exhibit periodic phases similar to the spherical moon.
But the Earth is Flat?
The assertion that airplanes would fly into space if the Earth is spherical is nonsense. I am a pilot. Years ago when I was actively flying, I would climb to a cruising altitude and then maintain that altitude for “level” flight based on the altimeter instrument in the airplane. The altimeter is actually a barometer with a calibrated dial readout. What I am doing is controlling the airplane to track an isobar or constant air pressure which is caused by the weight of the air column above me as I fly. To fly off into space, I would have to point the aircraft nose up and the air would get thinner and lighter, and my altimeter would show higher and higher altitude. There is nothing in the airplane to indicate if I am flying in a straight line (flat Earth) or a curved line (spherical earth). Your airplane argument is completely irrelevant. Just stop embarrassing yourself with that nonsense.
I won’t take time to rebut your other observations. Some of them are easier to rebut than others, but all of your arguments are ultimately flawed, either because they are logical fallacies, presume facts not in evidence, or the alleged physical evidence in support is erroneous. Example: I agree that NASA dispenses BS to the public. Some NASA photographs are fake. The moon landings are probably fake. Fake photos do not prove the Earth is flat. Fake photos only prove that NASA is a fraud, which it most certainly indeed is.
Nearly everything observable in the sky is fully explained by a spherical Earth orbiting the Sun with the other planets. If you really believe the Earth is flat, you probably also believe that the Earth was formed in 6,000 years and that Jesus is about to descend from the sky and save you from this enduring maxim:
Ignorance is the anesthesia that dulls the pain of stupidity.
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Come on back down to earth for a minute and put your obvious intellect to work on the two more intimate aspects of the globe model: curve and spin. That Glober’s are still touting a 500 year old experiment with sticks in sand and the resulting shadows as a proof of sphere shape is odd in light of the technology we have available to us. Also, you began your post sounding like an open minded seeker and finished as a mocker. Which is it?
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I acknowledge that the last line of my post above is brutal. I would apologize for verbally clubbing you in the head with a baseball bat, but I understand that you are fully self-anesthetized by cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias. My bat will bounce off your head without you feeling a thing.
The human psyche is amazing. We are each one equipped to believe virtually ANYTHING we want to believe simply because we WANT to believe it for whatever reasons happen to appeal to us. Once we decide what we WANT to believe, our perception filters kick in and without even trying, we automatically and uncritically cherry pick any and every shred of info that supports our chosen belief, while simultaneously and automatically filtering out and rejecting all evidence to the contrary.
Flat Earth is a shining example of this phenomenon. Thanks for sharing!
Here is one of the STUPIDEST things any human can say to itself: “Well, if THAT were true, then I would already know about it.”
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Gary,
I can see that you are in that difficult early stage of reckoning with this, going back and forth between clinging to the old and dancing with the new. I still have to pinch myself and go back through the many things I know in my heart to be true every now and then to stay firm, and so you should know that all the people who have woken up to this have been right where you are and few came to this without considering for quite some time the evidence for flat and against globe.
I do understand that human perception is very subjective and we tend to decide what we believe and then select for it in our perceptual choices. And, of course that works in both directions, with the globe getting quite a head start regarding our conditioning.
Over the past 4-5 years, I did a fairly comprehensive romp through all the typical conspiracy stuff: JFK, 9-11, UFO, Illuminati, Pyramids, ancient civilizations, etc so I already knew that there was much truth being occulted from us. I was not willing to bite on the NASA hoax for the longest time though I had heard rumblings. Eric Dubay’s 200 Proofs came across my you tube feed and I gave it a listen and it all made complete sense, though I still had to spend an hour or 2 every day for months digging and looking and thinking.
The cornerstones for me are the 1) NASA fraud. Any 1-2 hour video on that can convince an open mind, and then there is this…
2) Absence of curvature. High altitude balloons show flat horizon with horizon always rising to meet the eye. All kinds of shots have been taken across water from 30-100 miles and there is no appreciable drop, not to mention the fact that water simply does not curve. Sea level it is and any notion of a hump, whether in feet or miles is absurd. A guy in NC did a 1 hour video called a Mountain of Evidence. Look that up.
3) Spin.
Here I found that simply thinking through the implications of a 1000 mph spin (and all the other motions in other directions that the globe model throws at us), was enough to call BS. You said yourself that the difference between spinning and stationary and curved and flat are huge. Everything points to flat and stationary. The dynamic aspects of curve and spin should be seen EVERYWHERE and yet cannot be seen, measured or felt.
I’ll throw in a 4) Antarctica and all the southern hemisphere anomalies. Research Byrd, Antarctic treaty, long southern hemi flights on ball versus flat earth.
In closing I say it is no easy task to hold an opinion which is so contrary to what we have been taught and one that virtually everyone thinks is crazy. And then what do you do with it? It is an elegant and thoughtful system though, and we are all still trying to figure out how it works. It also points to something sinister in the very fabric of the world we thought we understood, and so if you come to some conviction around this you may expect to feel for some time or forever that you are standing up in a canoe…
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Hi, John,
Thank you sincerely for taking time for such a rich and thoughtful reply. I truly appreciate the time and effort you invested in alleviating my ignorance.
I, like you, am already on board for most of the mass deceptions you enumerated. Virtually all mainstream information is deception and propaganda. I wonder where you are w/r/t the Secret Space Program, ET contact and alien propulsion and energy technologies since the 50’s, humans on Mars for decades, structures and bases on the far side of the moon, multi-dimensional reality, etc.?
Thanks for the suggestions for my further flat earth study. You are obviously an educated, intelligent observer, so I feel obliged to listen to your counsel.
Not to posit this as a rebuttal to anything, but curves and bends in the time-space continuum can seriously warp perceptions of straight and curved. Supposedly we can see stars behind the sun because the light path is not linear. You probably know about the famous solar eclipse experiment way back when. What I am saying is that flat can appear curved, and curved can appear flat. Where is Reality? Is there an absolute measuring stick or clock we can trust, or are virtually all perceptions relative to the time-space frame of reference of the observer? Or is the concept of time-space part of the public brainwash fraud?
I can’t answer that question yet, or maybe never. Is “I can’t believe my eyes!” a maxim we must embrace before making ultimate conclusions?
Again, I don’t know. Right now, I need to get some work done (contract engineering project as my ‘failed retirement’ continues). John, I will take your counsel to heart and check out the content to which you pointed me. Thank you again, John. I look forward to busting yet another paradigm.
PS-Somewhat on topic re BrainWashDay Miracles: I was born a 5th generation Mormon on both sides and was fully engulfed by a Mind Control Cult until I was 30 years old. I left that Colossal Fraud behind in 1980, only to later discover multiple layers of more and more brainwash as my explorations evolve. I am sure there is more to yet discover.
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Gary, the Mormon thing is interesting. You’ve spent a lifetime disentangling from limiting narratives. The whole “we make our own reality” thing you allude to is a rabbit hole below the rabbit hole in a way. I was into the Secret Space Program when FE came along and have not gone back. Partly because a space filled with round inhabitable earth-like spheres was no longer an option. I now suspect that other life forms either operate interdimensionally or perhaps beyond the ice wall other civilizations are having a go of some other sort of life. I live in Nashville TN and not sure there is even 1 other person wondering about these kinds of things. Circle back when you can.
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Hello, John and Flat Earthers,
I got time to dive deeper. Here are my findings:
On a 3D-CAD tool, I personally constructed a 3D model of what the horizon of a sphere looks like from 10 miles high, or 52,800 feet. That covers all airline flight plans. Anyway, at that altitude, the ocean horizon is 398 miles distant with a curvature that looks like a yardstick on a table, with the yardstick propped up at its center over a pencil and the ends of the stick pushed down to the table … approximately. Very subtle curvature, but eye-detectable at higher altitudes. Lower airplane flights would show proportionately less curvature. One would need a cloudless view of the ocean horizon to see this subtle curvature, especially through a small airplane window with limited angle of view.
From anywhere near ground level, its impossible to detect the horizon curvature because you can’t see far enough. The Earth looks flat if you are only inspecting the horizon. That is one of the (geometrically, mathematically uninformed) Flat Earth errors … to think you should see curvature on the horizon from anywhere near ground level.
Some simple proofs that anyone can do are shown on some of the videos linked below. One I recall is viewing the Toronto skyline from across Lake Erie … 30 miles away. The bottom of the tall tower is clearly occluded by the curvature of the surface of the lake. It’s compelling and irrefutable.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=flat+earth+debunked
There is a thermal inversion effect where it is indeed possible to see a distant skyline from across the water. This happens on rare occasions viewing the Chicago skyline from a hundred miles away on Lake Michigan. This is called a mirage.
The Earth is not flat. It is spherical. Anyone who believes the Earth is flat is deluded and a victim of their own Confirmation Bias . . . . or looking at a mirage.
End of story. Case closed. Period.
If any of you want to embarrass yourselves further, be my guest. On the level playing field encompassing ALL observable phenomena, you do not get to Cherry Pick your evidence while ignoring the mountain of irrefutable, contrary proofs that . . . you are deluded.
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Use science to debunk I am interested in your thesis
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Gary, If you fly with an ancient plane and if you do not control the altimeter and let the plane fly upwards, surely the length of your plane ride will go up into space but now all the aircraft equipment is computerized, the altimeter also automatically adjust the height with the air pressure, don’t you
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Razi, you misunderstand the physics of how an altimeter operates, in addition to misunderstanding how airplanes fly. The “ancient” altimeter automatically adjusts for air pressure because it is actually a mechanical aneroid barometer with an altimeter readout instead of mm of mercury on the dial. For an accurate altimeter reading, the pilot has to tweak the dial depending on the current air pressure reported by airports enroute.
The F.E. notion that if the Earth were spherical, then airplanes would fly into space is beyond silly. A correct statement is that IF airplanes fly in a straight line on a spherical Earth, they would fly into space. That would only apply to a rocket powered airplane capable of flying in a straight line. Normal airplanes that depend on air for lift will eventually hit “service ceiling” when they run out of both engine power and air density to fly any higher. At that point, the airplane will continue flying at a fixed altitude above the Earth. The trajectory would be a curve closely matching the curvature of the earth.
Flat Earth is a religion with entrenched dogma. No argument is convincing enough when the believer is entrenched and closed off to evidence, logic and reason. Some evidence and arguments are intrinsically nonconclusive one way or the other, while others are irrefutable when scrutinized impartially by a rational observer.
When all else fails, you can always shoot the messenger or transmogrify the data … or both.
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Gyro! Maintains rigidity in space. A plane traveling across a flat plane as indicated.
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Plain…sorry
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Why do you only see one side of these so called round planets and stars and not the backside of the moon, planets etc.. We would see the backside of the moon at least once.
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If they were actually spinning.
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We can see all sides of all planets and moon EXCEPT our moon. We only see one side of our moon because it orbits around us at the same rate as it orbits around its axis
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First want to say great article! many great points and detailed images and really enjoy the layout and perspectives you present, very informative and will help to shed light in this matter for the masses!
Now In response to Gary below, of course you are in denial and are defending your programming, you clearly stated that you are or were an aircraft pilot. If this is true then not much further needs to be said as that would imply you went through the criteria and training that involves the indoctrination. Most pilots are quick to defend their programmed perspective because admitting to being deceived for a millenia would be humiliating in itself, but also out of the fear of questioning further. I know many pilots who know that the Earth is flat and refuse to speak out also in fear of losing their high-income jobs, but also many do not know, and stay blinded by their ignorance. We all know that aircrafts do not take “curvature” of the Earth into account in their calculations, most air-based systems are gyroscopic and mechanical in nature. Even engineers tunneling underground do not take the curvature into consideration in their measurements.
As for the Moon and planets, The moon’s light is actually colder than the shade if you measure at night, and we know this implies that the moon gives off its own light and is not reflecting the sun. Also if the moon and planets were spherical, why don’t we see other sides? We only EVER see the one same side, and its at a different angle depending on where you stand on the Earth. Image the face of the Moon taped to your living room ceiling, and look at it from the 4 corners of the Earth. Same goes for planets and stars, you only see 1 face, and they also appear to give off their own light.
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Greetings, Sargon,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on my post.
Please note my comment that “level” airplane flight does not prove or disprove anything regarding the flatness of the earth. Flying along a path of constant barometric pressure as indicated by the altimeter would look and feel the same for both flat and spherical earths. The curvature is too subtle to be noticed by a pilot in a small airplane.
Today my friend on the phone reported that he was able to see the curvature of the earth from atop the World Trade Center before it was leveled by the controlled demolition on 9-11. That is hearsay evidence as I did not see it myself. I do not know if his report is reasonable or not, but that is what he said he saw. Feel free to dismiss that as anecdotal and unverified.
If the moon emits its own light, please explain a lunar eclipse and the phases of the moon … both of which are simply explained by orbiting spheres illuminated by a central sun.
There is a wobble of the moon where the extreme edges appear and disappear from earth-view during the wobble. I have not witnessed this personally, but here is a link explaining that phenomenon. Take a look at the time-lapse movie of the moon’s phases also showing its very obvious wobble aka slight back and forth rotation. Please explain how you do not see a sphere wobbling in this movie. This is represented as a sequence of actual photographs of the moon.
http://dumbscientist.com/archives/the-moon-wobbles
Humans are famous for bludgeoning the available data to fit their predetermined conclusions. Voters decide who they like and who they hate and display extreme competence at distorting the same sets of data to support opposite conclusions. Same goes for flat vs round earth.
Ain’t we humans entertaining as hell, Sargon?
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Gary wrote:”Today my friend on the phone reported that he was able to see the curvature of the earth from atop the World Trade Center before it was leveled by the controlled demolition on 9-11. That is hearsay evidence as I did not see it myself. I do not know if his report is reasonable or not, but that is what he said he saw. Feel free to dismiss that as anecdotal and unverified.”
Gary wrote: “On a 3D-CAD tool, I personally constructed a 3D model of what the horizon of a sphere looks like from 10 miles high, or 52,800 feet. That covers all airline flight plans. Anyway, at that altitude, the ocean horizon is 398 miles distant with a curvature that looks like a yardstick on a table, with the yardstick propped up at its center over a pencil and the ends of the stick pushed down to the table … approximately. Very subtle curvature, but eye-detectable at higher altitudes. ”
We will dismiss the WTC anecdote based on your own research.
Frankly, an intellectually honest person would not even write the anecdote.
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this way tooo….. you should research. i MEAN it.first of all have you heard the principle of communicating vessels? The Michelson–Morley experiment explained why there is no such thing as a luminiferous aether and einstein later understood that this happened because light speed is a constant and have you questioned why every other celestial bodies out there are spherical (you can see by yourself using a simple telescope)? Thats because every massive object would collapse on its own gravity if it wasnt spherical (have you heard einstein?).And last if you want to question the power of gravity for EACH OBJECT(because i guess you know that gravity acts different on every object) use the Newtonian formula W=m*g to estimate that force (again that acts on EACH OBJECT OF A DIFFERENT MASS DIFFERENTLY).oh and BTW birds fly because they take advantage of the atmospheric pressure.A greek saying says that:the imperfect knowledge is worse than ignorance
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. . . aka . . . Confirmation Bias is the enemy of Truth and Reality . . . whatever the hell THAT might be.
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I like how you think gravity does not apply to air planes and that they can just casually fly away from earth. How do people like you even know how to breath?
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The sun blows and the moon sucks. The moon is a thermal dynamic vent that is basically “yin yanging” the sun. God calibrated the moon phases to bleed off light and heat energy to keep the earth at a pre determined seasonal variance. The light from the moon is the residual effect of absorption. Thats why the moon’s light is cold. Hey don’t laugh, it’s just a theory. Once you go flat, you never go back…!
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If the Earth is flat, then how come you can’t see Beijing, China from New York, USA?
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*sigh……
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Because I don’t have my glasses
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Hi Wang, let us assume for a moment that the earth is a round flat plane…you still would not be able to see Beijing from New York due to many atmospheric related factors.
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because of dust, steam, clouds, smoke, vapor, and, hey, how far can your personal shitty eyes see? after all these years?
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From the perspective that earth is flat you also think gravity is in one direction on every location; down. But if the earth is sphere then gravity works toward the center of the planet. Then down is different on different locations. This could mean if a plane moves forward it doesnt need to be corrected, then moving forward means moves along the curve. This might be also be how birds move. It seems on the moon/mars/sun gravity is different but wouldnt it make sense the same rules seem to apply but on different scale? I wonder if gravity of earth lied but we are correct for other planets?
I have so many questions: if I would go to the outside of the earth, climb over the icehill (northpole?) Can I jump off the earth? Is that possible? What happens? Can you also walk/climb under the earth? Because it thats true That sounds like a great journey.
Another question, how do satellites move and how did they managed to move them like this?
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Humans are such small creatures trying to find out abouts things as huge as the solar system and other planets. Humans do not have the capability yet of finding out about planets and stars. In the future with advanced technology there may be an answer however, we humans cannot discover things about space when we havent yet discovered the Earth. People are recently making claims of new discoveries and apparently water 650miles into the ground. We have only discovered 5% of the oceans and most likely not all of the land on Earth. We humans need to succeed on the basics if we want to move on.
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Why do you think that there is a global conspiracy against the flat earth theory?
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So what’s the tin foil rebuttal to the Lake Michigan city lights mirage, a product of the curvature of the Earth?
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/05/06/weather-mirage-chicago-skyline-lake-michigan/70902190/
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I’m always up for a good paradigm shift… and this is a whopper. I’d like to ask about the International Space Station. Is it actually going 17,000 mph above us, with astronauts on board? Can we ask them whether the earth is curved or round?
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curved or flat, sorry, it’s late 🙂
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Sure ask the astronauts, and what do you think they will say? Did you ever see a picture of a satellite from the ISS circling the globe? There are many pics of the supposedly satellites but how many have you seen from the many ISS photos where they are seen in orbit? Satellites are not sone 3ft by 3ft objects. Is the ISS really 17000 miles up in the Van Allen Belt? Really 17000 miles up in the most radioactive part of our orbit in Earth? Nasa has said themselves they have to figure out a way to get past the belt before they can go any farther and our moon is past the belt. Yet we have a Space station engulfed in radioactive area of the belt where astronauts are living day to day and doing spacewalks in this environment with a vacuum of space. Really?!
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The altitude of the ISS is 249 miles and it is moving at 17,000 mph.
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HERES AN ARGUEMENT! EXPLAIN ECHOLOCATION SHOT INTO THE EARTH AND REACHING THE OTHER SIDE! AND HOW SCIENTISTS DETECT EARTHQUAKES. EARTH IS ROUND MY FRIEND. I CAN KEEP PROVING IT.
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Next someone will be telling me there really is a God!!!!!
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wOW!!!!!11!! noW I no the eaRTH ReallY iS FLat THAnK U 4 THe HALP
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You insult everybody that tried to educate you when you write like that.
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A few things to examine.
Distance to diameter ratio for the moon 0.009 : 1
Distance to diameter ratio for the sun 0.009 : 1
Bit of a coincidence !
Diameter of body’s divided by their distances from earth, distances and diameters provided by science.
Purchase a good high quality astronomy grade telescope and take a look at the stars.
They are not what they seem and are definatley not what we have been taught that they are !
Purchase and read a factual book published in 1922
( Kings Dethroned ) by Gerrard Hickson
”A history of the evolution of astronomy from the time of the roman empire up to the present day, showing it to be an amazing series of blunders founded upon an error made in the second century BC ”
Wake up !!!
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P.S
One further thing to examine.
All of science to this day has only one factual experiment, which science claims as proof that the earth is spinning !
The Foucault Pendulum Experiment.
Examination of this experiment proves that is is fataly flawed and therefore all other heliocentric theories are flawed !
Wake up !!!
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What is the flaw?
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I do not mean to spam this page as it is a great resource, but only to share a website I put together also for the purpose of being resources for Christians seeking information on the Flat Earth. http://www.veritasmc.org/flatearth.html. It takes the whole flat earth reality and extrapolates it to it’s Biblical logical conclusion.
I will review the material found here and see if I can’t add it as a link to my page.
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Cognitive dissonance an play any number of tricks. Thing is,the resurgence of Flat Earth is not for everybody, it is an awakening from centuries of misinformation and conditioning. The empirical evidence of a flat earth is there in abundance, however is only a partial understanding of where we live and why it has been obfuscated and by whom for so long.
Those who deny the Bible are missing out on the most important part of this dynamic, and it has nothing to do with big box hallelujah stores commonly known as churches and organized religion. It simply fills in so many of the gaps as to place those discarding it to be willingly ignorant by refusing to look at it’s content on the subject. The Bible is a flat earth book from cover to cover. The non canonical book of Enoch perfectly explains the movement of the luminaries and the changing of the seasons by an ever moving sun circling in slower wide circles during the colder months and a quicker smaller circling during the warmer months.
Who is behind the heliocentric lie? Most will say that it is the Masons, and for the most visible part that is true, but it goes deeper than that. Pythagoras and Copernicus were both Freemasons but the later was also a Jesuit trained astrologer, and heliocentrism would not have gotten a grip were it not for the Catholic Church pushing it, for it was but a theory based upon no observable or verifiable facts, such as that we now have today.
http://www.veritasmc.org/flatearth.html
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lot of question will appear if the earth was flat, the most question will ask is “why they hide the fact if earth was flat”
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Personally, I find this all fascinating. For well over 20 years, I have used a “follow the money” philosophy regarding any and all conspiracy theories. I believe that humanity has largely been deluded by the “Powers that Be”.
The FE theory is beyond interesting. While not completely convinced, it certainly would not surprise me – we have been deceived so many times. If nothing else, the comments show that many clear-thinking individuals are taking the time to consider that our deeply embedded “Earth view” may be “planer” than we think.
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1) The horizon is the point at which the Earth’s curve prevents you from seeing further. The horizon is a circle and circles are flat as we all know so the horizon is going to be flat despite the Earth being curved.
2) You are really underestimating the size of the Earth. The Earth is so massive no matter where you are, the horizon will stay in one spot. Additionally, the existence of the horizon at all (as previously stated) is because of the Earth’s curvature blocking your view. If the Earth was flat, you could see a lot further until everything is just too small too see.
3) The water is in fact curving. It is just such a gradual curve, so it is impossible to see.
4) That is just based off of a 6-mile area, an area that small could easily be flat.
5) Light bounces around in the atmosphere which means that in that the light can make a cone like that with the sun still being as far away as it is. Also, the sun only appears to be right above a cloud, it is an optical illusion and is not actually that close. We would burn to death if so.
6) Gravity compensates for the planes so they do not have to dip down all the time. Also, the atmosphere is spinning with the Earth, but in relation to the planes it is stationary so whether they go west or east it remains the same (some knowledge about physics helps in understanding that).
7) That could be because of the atmosphere moving the light and because of how the star is moving in addition to the Earth causing the light to be moving.
8) To be honest light is too complicated to for me. I would need to get into quantum mechanics which I don’t understand fully but I think I have a simple explanation. The Earth’s movement doesn’t affect the light traveling as everything on Earth is moving the same speed in space (plus or minus the Earth’s rotation depending on exactly where you are).
9) Everything has the same force applied to it in gravity. However, some things are more massive which means there is more matter in that thing that gravity is being applied to. Since bugs, birds, etc. are less massive, they have less force applied to them and since buildings are more massive, they have more force applied to them. Also, all animals have evolved to be able to withstand the pressure that gravity causes (although since this is a religious site, i’m sure you reject evolution).
10) These methods of getting around work due to them generally being used over small distances and due to the Earth’s curve being very gradual so it is virtually flat in a small area.
Here are some links (whether you want to believe them or now):
http://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/7-diy-experiments-b-o-b-the-earth-is-round/
http://nerdist.com/8-reasons-we-know-the-earth-isnt-flat/
I sincerely hoped this made someone reconsider their belief of a flat Earth. If just one person is able to see the evidence and see the Earth is round, then this hour of my time has been worth it. However, if there is really not a single person I have convinced, I have lost my faith in humanity.
Sincerely,
Connor Atkins – 10th Grade
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You faith in humanity is therefore lost. Why do you feel the need to convince people of your belief?
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Til, Allow me to push your own question until yourself (assuming you believe in a flat Earth) why do you feel the need to convince people of your belief?
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You’ve pretty much ignored the existence of gravity and the atmosphere.
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Yeah sorry about that, I really just focused on refuting the points they gave.
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I was not a believer in the flat earth theory at first. But in the last couple of weeks I have been doing research on the possibility of a flat earth. One interesting fact is that the calculations of the distance for the moon and sun from earth was based on a curved earth. If you take the same formula and base it on a flat earth the numbers change drastically. Instead of the sun being many million miles away from earth it is only 3000 miles away from earth. Also it has the moon and sun as the same size and distance from earth. While the other one has the moon and sun many miles apart and by coincidence when a eclipse occurs the moon blocks the sun. If we really think about how can you see something many millions away with the naked eye. Also how can you see the planets with a telescope, camera or binoculars if it many millions away too. If this was the case then you could stand on a hill with binoculars or a camera and see all the way across the ocean. You can’t . If you think about the sun and moon are a lot closer than what we have been told.
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Mike, instead of calling you an idiot I’m going to ask a question.
What formula, what “math”, did you use that puts the sun and moon equal distance from Earth?
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If the earth is flat as you say why can’t I see Mount Everest? And when I am out at sea on a very clear day, I can’t see the tall skyscrapers despite it also being very cloudless at the city?
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Can your eyes see forever, No matter the shape of the thing you stand?
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Each aspect about proving the flat earth prove only one thing if you play with logic on false information and false science you could easily go on and think that your logic is right.
It is call Logical Delirium when one use a logical deduction and built a theory on false premises.
Each point here do not resist the scrutiny of exact and verifiable science, mathematics and trigonometry.
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How do you explain that fact that we all see the sun and the moon from different angles? If the Sun was just few miles away from the Earth, as you claim, I don’t think there will be difference in times in different parts of the world…
The fact that the time in the Northern America and Africa, is not slightly, but very differently, I mean noticeably different, beyond doubts…
WAKE UP… YOU’VE SLEPT TOO LONG
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6 miles is only 0.025% of the Earth’s surface, nowhere near far enough to notice a curve. This hurts to explain.
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